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Q1: What is your conception of a human being in one
or two sentences? Q2: Can you add a few
sentences on these three words?
Q3: You said this JIVA is the controller of all of
our bodily operations, and the body is like a vast house or city.
Who is the inhabitant of this city?
Q4: You have introduced two big words God and
Nature. But where do 'I' (with name Ram) myself come in?
Q5: Give me some details of the fabulous
opportunity of mode 1 operation where I identify myself with the
inhabitant, the Supreme God. Is it real?
Q6: What you say is nice to hear. If I am really
the enjoyer, why am I unhappy or miserable often?
Q7: I know this "desire stuff'' would pop up.
First tell me, what is "desire?'' For example, I prefer the house
to be neat. Is it a desire? I want to be an excellent professional
(physicist, accountant, carpenter, cook, merchant etc.). Is it a
desire?
Q8: What is enjoyment? I associate it with the
feeling one gets with seeing a 'good' movie, eating tasty food.
Any class.
Q9: (action and sannyas) According to you renunciation (or
external sannyas) is only the giving up the desires. It does not
mean stopping the performance of actions. Every action has
obviously a motive. So you agree that even with the practice of
renunciation (sannyas), one can still perform actions.
Q10: (Purpose of work and life) What is the
purpose of doing work? Is it enjoyment only.
Q11: (Work and enjoyment) You have said that we have to work
always and enjoy. What is the connection between work and
enjoyment? Does the type of work lead to enjoyment or the effort
involved in work? How does work lead to enjoyment? A common notion
is that manager's work is more satisfying than that of the
subordinates' work? Is it true?
Q12: (Mundane work) Does mundane daily chore like
sweeping the floor lead to enjoyment?
Q13: (Type of work for individual) Does the
Upanishad make suggestions regarding the type of work an
individual must do?
Q14: (Way of doing Work) How to do the work
assigned to us?
Q15: (Result of work) You have said that we
should work consciously without being overly anxious about the
result of the work. But result of work is important for me. Is the
result determined by fate as some opine?
Q16: (Studying the work of others) A person says
that others are not doing their share of the work in the office;
she/he is doing the most work. This is a common complaint; Any
comment?
Q17: (Conversation: enjoyment and boredom) I
enjoy hearing from a person about his new business venture or
progress in his technical work or profession or vocation. I easily
get tired while hearing about his family problems. What is the
reason?
Q18: (Unhappiness in workplace) A common reason given for
unhappiness at the workplace is supposedly unreasonableness of the
boss or the rules of workplace; similarly a reason given for
unhappiness at home is the supposedly unreasonable or difficult
parent or spouse. Any comments?
Q19: My experience is that many actions have a 'sticky'
property. For example, I like to read the fiction books the
so-called detective novels. After finishing one book, I am almost
forced to read the sequel book even though the rational part of
the mind tells me that this reading of the sequel is a waste of a
lot of time. I seem to be in the grip of the book. I seem to have
lost my freedom. Is there any connection to the phrase, 'work
limits freedom'?
Q20: What about the so called, 'workholics'?
Q21: For some persons, there is a natural
attraction for not doing any willed work; they like stillness.
According to some Buddhists the great Buddha has said, "all
actions lead only to misery''. Any comments?
Q22: Several persons based on their experiences claim that
regular meditation is beneficial; they compare the meditational
exercise to the operation of charging the battery (of our life);
then the performance of actions at work in the office etc.,
results in the discharge of battery. Your views?
Q23: (development of will) You said earlier that
the power of will can be developed. Is there a method to develop
it?
Q24: Does it mean that all devotees of the Agni
always will travel in the correct path?
Q25: What is concentration?
Q26: (Work in changing world) You said that our
life is continuously changing jagat. Workplace is changing
rapidly; with the old rules like a life-time job or security are
no longer valid. Any advice on our response to this rapid change.
Q27: (Rebirth and learning) We are asked to learn continuously
during all in our life. I like that. But does the Upanishad say
anything about rebirth? Do we learn anything from the experiences
of our earlier births? The popular idea is that we will be reborn
as insects or animals (or even become a stone) as punishment for
our (supposed) sins. Does this Upanishad support this?
Q28: (After-death states) Does the Upanishad say anything about
the after-death state of persons who live only for their physical
enjoyments without any thought of moral or aesthetic ideals or
their fellow beings? Does it say anything regarding persons who
commit suicide?
Q29: (Choice between ideals) Often we are faced with ideals of
service which are all individually very attractive or great, but
which are mutually inconsistent. Some say focus on the health and
food for the poor; others say it is education that is needed.
Still others say, 'no help should be given till they show the
required aspiration'. How do we choose which goal to pursue?
Q30: (Time management, working in a hurry) We generally work in
a hurry because we do not have enough time. The quality suffers,
What to do?
Q31: Does the Upanishad have anything to say about the type of
work I can do and the larger topic of personality development?
Q32: I have heard that, "this obsession with renunciation or
sannyas has ruined our country, it is the main reason for the
physical poverty in India''. Your response please.
Q33: (active & passive Brahman): You stated in connection with
verse 1 that there is only ONE inhabitant, God, in all these
bodies; he is the enjoyer in all these bodies. We usually think of
the Brahman as inactive (this is the usual definition of
absolute). However to enjoy, the Brahman has to be in the role of
activity; so we can speak of this active Brahman. So we have
active Brahman and passive Brahman; has the same passive Brahman
put on different bodies?
Q34: (Quiescence & Movement) Let us go now to "God''. We have
all heard that the Supreme Being or Brahman is in a condition of
absolute quiescence or stillness; for the attainment of bliss,
quiescence is said to be necessary. Do we associate movement with
Supreme Being also? Note quiescence and persistence of movement
are opposed to another.
Q35: So you seem to be saying that God or Supreme Brahman is
simultaneously quiescent and moving. It seems hard to imagine.
Q36: (Vidya and Avidya, Knowledge and Ignorance) What exactly
is the distinction between knowledge and ignorance. All of us
prefer not to have any ignorance at all, if it is possible. All of
us know that our knowledge is very very limited. What is the view
of Upanishad?
Q37: (Works and Knowledge) Great thinkers in the past have
declared the fundamental opposition between works and knowledge.
What is the Upanishad's view?
Q38: Suppose we call the Supreme as the BEING. Recall we
express our existence by saying, "I am'. Does this person (Being)
become the different bodies? Similarly the Supreme is regarded as
One but everyday we deal only with the Many all the different
things we see in the world are likely to be becomings or formation
of the one the so-called Being. Some regard the 'Many' as unreal
or at least 'less real' than the One. What is the relation between
these opposites.
Q39: (Birth and Non-birth) In popular lectures we
hear that the Birth is the beginning of bondage. Still nobody,
even apparently the saints, look forward to death. What takes
birth?
Q40: I am intrigued by the phrase, "live for a
hundred years'' you quoted earlier. Is it merely an expression of
sentimentality or is there a deeper meaning?
Q1: What is your conception of a human being in one or
two sentences?
Ans: A human being is associated with three phrases namely:
Body, Life-energy & Action. Q2: Can you
add a few sentences on these three words?
Ans: BODY is primarily made of matter. The body is powered by
the Life-Energy. Note that the body is incredibly complex with
various parts like brain, heart, lung, nervous systems, sense
organs, organs of work etc., which are all dynamic or continuously
changing. It is called a city (puri). Hence the body is called in
the Upanishad (U) as that which is continuously changing (jagat).
Life-energy keeps all these parts operating harmoniously, often in
a self-maintenance mode. The life-energy has a central node called
as Jiva which can be called the director of all these operations.
The body is always in a mode of ACTION; some actions like cooking,
playing are willed; many others like heart beating, breathing
etc., take place without our conscious control.
Q3: You said this JIVA is the controller of all of our
bodily operations, and the body is like a vast house or city. Who
is the inhabitant of this city?
Ans: I am glad you asked me this question because it
constitutes the beginning phrase of Upanishad. Isha or the God is
the only inhabitant, (vasyam) of my body, your body and every
body. The two words Isha and vasyam constitute the beginning
phrase of Upanishad. Purusha, Supreme Being, Lord etc., are all
synonyms for this Isha or God. Recall that each human being is a
continuously changing entity (jagat). In the universe, there are
other entities both inanimate or animate besides humans. The
entire universe is also a jagat. Hence U declares: All the
different individuals and all entities in this universal motion (jagat)
are for the habitation (vasyam) by the (One) Lord (isha). (Verse
1, first half) We call the aggregate of all these entities in
universal motion (excluding the Lord) as Nature or Prakrti made up
of phenomenon. So we have introduced two important concepts God
and Nature. Phenomenal Nature is a movement of the conscious
Lord. The object of the movement is to create forms of His
consciousness in motion in which He as the one soul in many bodies
can take up his habitation and enjoy the multiplicity and the
movement with all their relations. (SA)
Q4: You have introduced two big words God and Nature. But where do
'I' (with name Ram) myself come in?
Ans: You (the questioner Ram) (or I the answerer) can operate in
two modes. I can identify myself with the God as in mode 1 or I
can identify myself with nature as in mode 2.
 Note that all branches of
Indian philosophy (darshana) deal with the experiences and
explanations clarifying the relations between these three entities
namely, I, God and Nature.

Q5: Give me some details of the fabulous
opportunity of mode 1 operation where I identify myself with the
inhabitant, the Supreme God. Is it real?
Ans: Yes. What does the inhabitant (God) in each house do? He only
enjoys. Through the eyes, he enjoys the scene, through the tongue
he enjoys the taste etc. So in mode 1 you are the enjoyer of the
Universe.
Q6: What you say is nice to
hear. If I am really the enjoyer, why am I unhappy or miserable
often?
Ans: You feel you are miserable because you have given up your
role as the enjoyer; you have become the inspection clerk of your
store room. You go on listing all the physical things which you do
NOT have (my house is small, I need a big room, I do not have the
latest fashion-clothes, I do not get really tasty food.....) This
is called DESIRE. Desire has really two aspects. One is a list of
the things which you want, but do not possess. The second is a
list of complaints of, "not being this'. (I am not famous, I am
not popular, I am not agile, I am not pretty, I am not considered
as interesting or jolly company...). As long as you are in the
mode of, "I do not have it'', "I am not being this'', you are in
mode 2, identifying yourself with the everchanging nature; since
you are in mode 2, you are not identifying yourself with the
enjoyer, hence you are miserable. So the Upanishad states, you can
be the enjoyer only when you give up or renounce the desire and
not grumble about all the possessions you do not have. It is well
known that one who possesses anything physical can never be its
enjoyer. You go to the park, enjoy the flowers, scenery etc., and
come home refreshed. If on the other hand you own your own garden,
then maintaining the garden itself is a job. So possession does
not guarantee enjoyment. You may possess all the physical wealth.
But you cannot enjoy the tasty dishes if you are a diabetic or a
heart patient. So the Upanishad states: By renouncing (tyaktena)
(the desire) you should enjoy; lust not after other's possession.
(Verse 1, second half). Q7: I know this
"desire stuff'' would pop up. First tell me, what is "desire?''
For example, I prefer the house to be neat. Is it a desire? I want
to be an excellent professional (physicist, accountant, carpenter,
cook, merchant etc.). Is it a desire?
Ans: I also expected this barrage sometime, no harm. Being in the
mode of Desire means you are complaining and moaning that you do
not possess a physical thing ("I don't have a car'') or that you
are not being this ("I am not famous, I am not popular'' etc.). If
you merely complain, 'nobody arranges the house', then you are in
the desire mode and obviously miserable. Instead you can be in the
mode of action and ask, 'what I can do to make this house clean?'
then you are not in the desire mode, but action mode and you are
busy with action, not complaining. Similarly, wanting to be a good
carpenter is merely a desire if you are merely complaining. On the
other hand if you are doing actions to become a carpenter or
improving your skills then you are in the action mode. So what the
Upanishad says is that you have to give up (renounce) this
complaining or desire mode. Then you are fit for enjoyment. You
become aware of the beauty of your surroundings, the smell of a
flower, the sound of a favorite tune and automatically you are
being the enjoyer. The Upanishad adds the additional condition,
'lust not for other person's wealth', because you should have some
ethical or positive values behind your actions. Persons want to
steal or take bribe because they think, "it is a easy way of
getting money; once you have money, you supposedly can have or buy
anything else''. The above statement is really a great falsehood.
If you are sick, you can go to an expensive hospital for treatment
but you rarely recover your health. The reason is that the disease
was caused by your life-style (smoking, drinking liquor etc.,
indulging in venomous remarks etc.) and you believe that the
disease will go away by the money even if you continue the same
bad habits. Clearly this is not possible. The Upanishads states
that all the resources needed by you will come to you at the
appropriate time as long as you are happy and helpful to others to
the best of your abilities. Q8: What is
enjoyment? I associate it with the feeling one gets with seeing a
'good' movie, eating tasty food. Any class.
Ans: I can describe enjoyment by the activities associated with
it. The opposite of enjoyment is boredom, worry and pain, boredom
being the most dominant complaint. The best remedy to get over
boredom is to take up some physical activity such as watering the
garden or taking care of it, brisk walking, running, athletics, a
fast or physical game like soccer, tennis etc. After getting over
the initial bout with boredom, we should not allow it to come near
us by cultivating awareness or becoming more conscious of all the
things around us; Paying attention to the taste and smell of food,
the texture of tree and life, the sounds in the nature, paying
attention to the person speaking to us are all standard methods of
increasing our awareness. Pay attention to your own gifts or
aptitude like stitching a dress, repairing gadgets, building new
gadgets like radio. Each one of us can become aware of the origin
of the things we use everyday such as water, electricity,
vegetables, fruits etc. Where are they grown, what is difference
between the different varieties of the same fruit. All these
activities bring in us a calm enjoyment, driving away the boredom.
Sometimes we never know the time we have spent. Enjoyment has
numerous grades as suggested in the Taittiriya Upanishad. The
highest or most intense type of joy is that experienced by sages
in a high spiritual state called as samâdhi in the yoga
literature. The calm and satisfying feeling experienced in
performance of actions successfully and satisfactory is again a
very high type of joy. Another slightly lower type of joy is that
experienced in all intense physical activities like playing a game
of soccer or tennis, brisk walking, swimming, running, athletics
and sex. Singing or listening to music touching the heart centre
is again a type of joy. The noisy music like the rock music
touching the lower centres of our consciousness is an example of
much lower type of joy. Even though there is some overlap
between the words pleasure and enjoyment, pleasure is associated
with passive acts done rather unconsciously like watching a
cricket match, indulging in gossip, especially vicious gossip;
definitely give a very low level of enjoyment called pleasure. We
do not here speak; of acts of sadism. Physical pain like that
felt by persons suffering from cancer is very real. But
psychological suffering claimed by many has a large element of
dramatization. In this book, enjoyment refers to the higher
states of feeling (bhava) which are satisfying both physically and
mentally, which are not caused by external agents like liquor and
which do no harm to society or to others or to one self
immediately or in the long run. Q9:
(action and sannyas) According to you renunciation (or external
sannyas) is only the giving up the desires. It does not mean
stopping the performance of actions. Every action has obviously a
motive. So you agree that even with the practice of renunciation
(sannyas), one can still perform actions.
Ans: (inward renunciation and motives) You can perform all actions
as long they are righteous. For example stealing, robbing, taking
or giving bribes are all not righteous actions even if you say I
take bribe or rob to give to charities (as one multimillionaire
declared in US). This definition of renunciation is supported in
Bhagavad Gita also. The performance of action is emphasized in the
next verse 2. Doing works in this world, one should wish to live
a hundred years. Thus it is in you and not otherwise than this.
(verse 2, line 1) Thus verses 1 and 2 declare we can have
enjoyment all our lives only by performance of actions. "Real
integral enjoyment of all this movement and multiplicity depends
upon an absolute renunciation; but the renunciation intended is an
absolute renunciation of the principle of desire founded on the
principle of egoism and not a renunciation of actions or of
world-existence.'' (SA) Q10: (Purpose
of work and life) What is the purpose of doing work? Is it
enjoyment only.
Ans: I will reproduce the answer given by the Mother "You have
been placed on earth in a physical body, with a definite aim,
which is to make the body as conscious as possible, make it the
most perfect and conscious instrument of the Divine. He has given
you a certain amount of substances and of matter in all the
domains -- mental, vital and physical -- in proportion to what He
expects from you and all the circumstances around you are also in
proportion to what He expects of you. Everyone has a life
appropriate to his total development, everyone has a experience
which will help him in his total development, and everyone has
difficulties which help him in his total realization''. (M) By
doing work properly, we get enjoyment. But enjoyment itself is not
the aim of life. Q11: (Work and
enjoyment) You have said that we have to work always and enjoy.
What is the connection between work and enjoyment? Does the type
of work lead to enjoyment or the effort involved in work? How does
work lead to enjoyment? A common notion is that manager's work is
more satisfying than that of the subordinates' work? Is it true?
Ans: We have picked so many wrong notions prompting the Upanishad
to state: remove these glittering ideas so that we can see the
Truth! It is not the type of work which gives us joy. It is the
effort we put into the work which gives the joy. The effort could
be physical or material, moral, intellectual, emotional etc. The
effort in the doer of the work gets you connected with universal
vibration of delight (called as Soma in Veda) and it is this
universal force which gives us the joy; the degree of joy depends
on the quality of effort, i.e., the awareness and skill which has
gone into the work. Even if you do not believe in god or yoga, it
is this connection to the universal force which gives us the joy
of work. This joy allows to continue the work without fatigue.
Highly creative persons like Vishveswariah or C.V. Raman are
examples. Q12: (Mundane work) Does
mundane daily chore like sweeping the floor lead to enjoyment?
Ans: Recall that it is effort, not the type of work that gives
enjoyment. If you make the necessary effort to do the work with
the necessary awareness or concentration, you will feel joy. This
is true even if the work itself is against your nature. It is in
the concentration and awareness behind the effort that is the
origin of joy. When you do the work with concentration and
awareness, you are getting energy from the universal forces and
this energy compensates for the energy you are putting in. Here
you do not feel the fatigue. Q13: (Type
of work for individual) Does the Upanishad make suggestions
regarding the type of work an individual must do?
Ans: The Upanishad has already declared in verse 1 (Q6), 'lust not
after others' possessions'. You have to do only righteous actions
which harm no one and which benefits all including yourself. You
do not have to act like a saint and think only of others. By being
healthy you will be helping both yourself and society. A sick
person is a big burden to the society. The actual vocation you
choose depends on your taste and temperament. As mentioned
earlier, we may have to do the work which is against nature.
Q14: (Way of doing Work) How to do the work
assigned to us?
Ans: There are four broad guidelines:
a) Do the work consciously with awareness; do not perform any work
absentmindedly.
b) Be enthusiastic about the work. There is something called the
joy of work which is felt by many persons who do the work with
enthusiasm; they actually enjoy the work.
c) Every work has a goal or motive. Do not be obsessed with the
result of the work. If you have faith in the divine, and if you
have done the work with the conditions (a) and (b), then the
divine will grant the result appropriate to the circumstance.
Worrying about the result all the time only hampers the quality of
result and hampers your own inner development.
d) Do not do work as an observer. Identify with it. For instance,
if you are pouring oil from a big vessel to a small bottle
identifies with the bottle; there won't be any spillage. If you
are trying to diagnose a fault in a machine, identify with it.
Then you get an intimation of the source of the fault (Mother).
15: (Result of work) You have said that we should
work consciously without being overly anxious about the result of
the work. But result of work is important for me. Is the result
determined by fate as some opine?
Ans: If you have experienced failure in a task, you have to
examine all the aspects of your task done instead of simply
blaming everyone else or fate. Bhagavad Gita states clearly that
the quality of a result of an action depends on five factors
namely: (i) understanding clearly the nature of the work (ii)
the capacities of the doer (iii) instruments of action, not only
the physical instruments but also our senses and, level of
concentration and awareness (iv) types of effort; physical, vital,
mental (v) the unknown factors called daivam. As an illustration
consider an written examination as part of the work of securing a
degree or diploma, The item (i) may appear to be
self-explanations, but it is not. Not only a reasonable mastery of
the subject is required, but also the ability to express yourself
briefly but completely in the given period of time is also
required. Is your intent only in getting a diploma which has not
relevance to your future career or you believe the skills learnt
in that subject are useful in your career? The item tip instrument
refer to your writing skills and comprehension skills, the text
books etc. Item (iv) refer to your mental abilities, ability of
concentration and will power. Thus a person who has paid
sufficient attention need not worry about the role of daivam or
fate. Fate makes a contribution but it cannot be termed as the
dominant factor. Note that the Sanskrit word for fate is, 'adrshta',
those factor which we do not see. Sometimes suddenly a person
falls sick on the day of examination leading to a failure. But
failures are also important in life more than successes. With
failures one learns to meet the changing circumstances with an
open mind provided. We do not become unduly depressed by one
failure. Persons who are fearful of failures can never succeeds in
anything, because in every vocation we face failure at some stage
of our life. Q16: (Studying the work of
others) A person says that others are not doing their share of the
work in the office; she/he is doing the most work. This is a
common complaint; Any comment?
Ans: Recall the Upanishad statement, 'lust not after any man's
possessions'; similarly do not look at another's work load unless
you have been appointed to judge a person, you should never judge
another person especially behind his back. If a project involves
the specific contributions of several persons, then this topic
should be raised openly. Gossiping definitely degrades our
consciousness and reduces our overall creativity, productivity and
happiness. To call gossiping as enjoyment is a great error.
Q17: (Conversation: enjoyment and boredom) I enjoy
hearing from a person about his new business venture or progress
in his technical work or profession or vocation. I easily get
tired while hearing about his family problems. What is the reason?
Ans: The reason is that work, especially if it is technical work
is the expression of the best in the man, while in his private
life he comes to a low level of consciousness like most of
persons. You are getting enjoyment from his/her description of
technical work because you are in touch with his high level of
consciousness. Mother of the Sri Aurobindo states from personal
experience "many scholars, writers, artists, scientists do
remarkable work in their office; however when they enter the
homes, they become detestable husbands, unpleasant fathers,
intolerable people for these around them; the reason is when they
come home, they want to relax and hence lower their level of
consciousness and act utterly foolishly. It is a mistake to
believe that fatigue goes away by lowering our level of
awareness''. Q18: (Unhappiness in
workplace) A common reason given for unhappiness at the workplace
is supposedly unreasonableness of the boss or the rules of
workplace; similarly a reason given for unhappiness at home is the
supposedly unreasonable or difficult parent or spouse. Any
comments?
Ans: We have already said that complaining about others will not
help you; your level of unhappiness may even increase. So you have
to switch to the action mode; you either change a job or stay in
the present job. To answer this question, you have to clearly
answer, "what are your expectations with your current boss at work
or the current spouse''. Even with complaints, persons continue to
work for the same boss because there are getting a high salary, or
they hope to get a promotion etc. Psychologists have noted that
persons who blindly change jobs or spouses find out that the same
problems arise with the new boss or spouse. Ideally we should give
up our desires and expectations or substantially lower them. For
doing this, they have to become more conscious or aware and not be
carried away by slogans likes "more money gives more happiness''.
Then we do not continue to complain. Changes come to us because we
live in an ever changing world. We can accept the changes
gracefully. Q19: My experience is that
many actions have a 'sticky' property. For example, I like to read
the fiction books the so-called detective novels. After finishing
one book, I am almost forced to read the sequel book even though
the rational part of the mind tells me that this reading of the
sequel is a waste of a lot of time. I seem to be in the grip of
the book. I seem to have lost my freedom. Is there any connection
to the phrase, 'work limits freedom'?
Ans: You have stated your experience very well. Many have the same
experience regarding TV watching, etc. This happens only because
our will-power is weak. After the first act, our will-power is not
strong enough to overcome the temptation to read the sequel book.
But will-power can be strengthened systematically by many methods
just as one strengthens one's muscles in a gym. Some methods of
increasing will power are given later. Action cleaves not to a
man. (verse 2, second half) i.e., action is not necessarily
sticky; it does not limit the internal freedom of the doer.
"Actions are not inconsistent with the soul's freedom. Man is not
bound by works, but only seems to be bound. He has to recover the
consciousness of his inalienable freedom by recovering the
consciousness of unity in the Lord, unity in himself, unity with
all existence. This done, life and works can and should be
accepted in their fullness; for the manifestation of the Lord in
life and works is the law of our being and the object of our
world-existence.'' (SA) Q20: What about
the so called, 'workholics'?
Ans: The term 'workholic' was coined in USA to denigrate the
life-pattern of persons who put in long hours of work without any
compulsion from others. There are two different aspects here.
First of all the gadgets which we use everyday like cellphone, TV,
Video, DVD etc., did not fall down from heaven. The designs of
these gadgets are based on long hours of work done by many
persons; a twelve hour work day is common for them. Nothing can be
achieved by the proverbial "bankers hours of work'' (five hours
per day). We should be grateful for the persons from whom we are
benefiting every day. However there are many persons who are
compulsive workers by nature; they may be compulsive cleaners at
home; compulsive accountants who want maintain a degree of detail
in the financial accounts not needed by the organization. All
these persons do not usually have any hobbies, they are not
exposed to the enjoyment obtained by different types of work.
Discrimination is needed at every stage of life such as the choice
of life-style, choice of work etc. Again to effect the changes in
life-style, there is a need for increasing the will-power.
Q21: For some persons, there is a natural
attraction for not doing any willed work; they like stillness.
According to some Buddhists the great Buddha has said, "all
actions lead only to misery''. Any comments?
Ans: First of all, nobody in the world can stay still all the day
without doing any actions. Some of them may say, "we are
meditating'. We will handle meditation later. When a person loses
a job, he may feel carefree in the beginning. Then he says life is
boring and he does something like chatting with all or going on a
shopping spree. We label a work as boring or uninteresting, if the
work is done "only to get a paycheck''. Every action, however
insignificant from the popular point of view or unattractive from
the point of view of monetary rewards, has its importance for the
cosmos if done consciously or with awareness and it leads the doer
to an experience of bliss. This statement is experiential, not
speculative. The purpose of a work is the manifestation of the
Supreme Being in one aspect of the world and life. Work is the law
of our being and the object of world existence.
Regarding the claim of Buddhists, you have to make the choice
based on your experience. Is it within your experience that you
can stay still all day? In Buddhism, there is a big gulf between
the ancient teachings and the modern practice as in other
religions. Buddha's cardinal teaching was kindness to animals. The
present day Buddhists including the head of the Tibetean
Buddhists, the Dalai Lama (including the present one) must have
meat of animals for their meals everyday.
Q22: Several persons based on their experiences claim
that regular meditation is beneficial; they compare the
meditational exercise to the operation of charging the battery (of
our life); then the performance of actions at work in the office
etc., results in the discharge of battery. Your views?
meditation (fifteen minutes) are very beneficial. The ordinary
action exhausts us and drains our energies because we do the work
unconsciously without any enthusiasm. Also we are tense while
doing the work because we are obsessed with the results of the
work. A student who answers questions in the examination always
thinking, "what happens if I do not get the high marks'' will
definitely fair poorly in the examination than the another one who
answers calmly. Every action has a cosmic dimension and we who
perform it are its conscious instruments. If we perform it
consciously, then we experience the joy of work; and the result
ordained by God happens and this result will be beneficial to us
in the long run. We have heard of many who shifted their field of
work after the initial failure and did very well later in a
different arena. We cannot measure the value of action by the
crude means of immediate success or failure. Some failures are
more useful than many successes. Q23:
(development of will) You said earlier that the power of will can
be developed. Is there a method to develop it?
Ans: A method has been indicated in an earlier answer. We give
here a more effective method suggested in the mantras 15 and 16 of
Isha U. In the Veda Samhita mantras Agni is not merely a
physical fire, he is a multifaceted psychological power connected
with will, action and related powers. That is the reason that out
of 10,000 mantras of Rig Veda, about 2000 are dedicated to Agni.
Isha Upanishad is really the last chapter of Shukla Yajurveda
mantra Samhita. Hence it focuses on this tradition of Agni as the
power of will. In the Veda kratu means will. In our life, we begin
many projects; some of them end on the beginning day itself, some
later; only a few, very few, are completed. So for successful
completion the will-power has to be developed. We have to ask
whether the work is needed. That can be done by invoking the power
of the Vedic Agni in us with the help of Veda mantras. This power
grows within us by our aspiration, by our eagerness, by our sense
of surrender to Agni till it becomes a mighty force. So the
Upanishad has this prayer to Agni: "O will, (make us) remember
that which was done, (make us) remember.'' (verse 17, line 2) om
krato smara krtam smara krato smara krtam smara. Agni works
within us even if we are asleep psychologically or physically. He
is the divine force which manifests in matter as heat and light
and material energy; then he brings in us all other divine powers
needed for our growth like the mental powers especially mental
clarity, inspiration, revelation, the power of friendship, the
power of vastness (Varuna) etc. Then Agni will make us begin all
the actions, gives all the necessary help for their completion and
leads us to the Truth and the Bliss. The related mantra of Isha U.
given below is widely quoted in several Vedic mantra Samhita books
and others. O god Agni, knowing all things that are manifested (vayunani),
lead us by a good path (supatha) to the felicities (raye). (verse
18, line 1) agne naya supatha raye asman vishwani deva vayunani
vidvan.
This mantra is widely quoted in many Veda books and appears in
Rig Veda (1.189.1); Krishna Yajur Veda (1.1.14, 1.14.43); Shukla
Yajur Veda (3.36), (7.42), (40.16). The felicity refers to the
qualities of all-round happiness such as beauty and harmony, love
for all things, care for all the physical things or animals under
our control, cleanliness in all respects etc. It also includes the
physical wealth or resources needed in the enjoyment of the
felicities. Agni leads us along the right path, the path which
is appropriate to each one of us. Each one of us is governed by an
inner law (svadha) that supports us in all ways. We have to
recognize this self-law in us. The path we follow must be
consistent with our self-law (svadha).
Q24: Does it mean that all devotees of the
Agni always will travel in the correct path?
Ans: The Isha U. does not say so. There are always temptations
which make us take different paths, some crooked or devious. The
temptations are the so called hostile forces. The paths suggested
by these forces appear to be attractive. These temptations or
inappropriate actions are called in the Veda as sin (enah). Sin in
the Veda is some inharmonious action done with the hope of getting
some immediate happiness. "Remove from us the devious attraction
of sin; To you we offer our most complete prayer of surrender''.
(verse 18, line 2)
yuyodhy-asmaj-juhuranam-eno bhuyishtham, te namo uktam
vidhema
Note the phrase, 'devious attraction (juharanam) of sin'. We
have an idea it is devious or crooked. Still the attraction is
there. In the Veda, the hostile powers are like some of the modern
examiners who set very difficult exercises (both physically and
mentally) to the students. Our failure shows that our education in
not complete. So we try again and again to achieve perfection.
The only way is to offer our complete surrender; then the power of
will guides us at every step, major or minor towards the goal. As
long as we believe we know everything, the devious attraction of
sin steps in.
Q25: What is concentration?
Ans: The words will-power, concentration, awareness have highly
connected meanings. Recall that at any moment, there will be a
hundred thoughts in us each wanting us in different ways, i.e. our
awareness is scattered in different direction. Bringing together
these scattered threads of consciousness or awareness on the task
on hand is concentration. A person begins a task; he gives it up
after a few minutes saying it is boring etc. Here the will-power
is lacking. The awareness has gone from the task to day-dreaming.
The increase of the will-power is the power of Agni earlier
described. Q26: (Work in changing
world) You said that our life is continuously changing jagat.
Workplace is changing rapidly; with the old rules like a life-time
job or security are no longer valid. Any advice on our response to
this rapid change.
Ans: I will repeat some points mentioned earlier and add some new
ones. You have to be conscious while doing the work reducing your
expectations about the results to a bare minimum. With this
provision, you are able to accept the drastic changes occurring in
the workplace in a joyful way. The biggest reason for not
accepting the changes is the sense of fear and the all pervading
sense of insecurity. "I have lost my job; I have failed in the
examination, how can I force my friends and relatives?'' Fear or
insecurity is there because one does not have the habit of a
spontaneous trust in the Divine. Mother says that "There are
people who do not even know that THAT exists; one could tell them,
'you have no faith in your destiny', or 'you know nothing about
the Grace'; still these phrases do not make much impact on them.''
If one strongly believes that the helping hand of the divine is
everywhere, and that is the best that happens at any time under
the circumstances, then she or he accepts the changes willingly
and joyfully. She or he understands that it is unreasonable to
have a long list of unreasonable expectations before even
beginning the work. The drastic changes taking up in all aspects
of our life, especially technology and industry are reflected in
the drastic nature of the manufacturing industries. I will add a
few words here on how the industrial sector of Iron and Steel has
responded to these drastic changes. I will focus on these
organizations both in India and United States. Because of the
technological changes in the automobile industry, the biggest
consumer of steel, the demand for steel was reduced drastically
roughly by one-half. Hence many of the big steel mills in cities
like Pittsburgh in USA were closed down because of their
substantial financial losses and the major steel company in US,
the US Steel even changed the name to USX. Persons who are afraid
of change wrote vigorously about the misery caused to the people
in the closed industries and regarded this act as one of
anti-community or anti-people. However in the place vacated by
these old and decaying factories, new service industries and
electronic industries were opened and the life now is normal as
before. People want work, not necessarily work in an iron and
steel complex. Simultaneously new technology was developed in
which big mills which involve huge investments were not needed.
Steel could be produced in mini mills, where price per ton was two
thirds of the price of the bigger mill. One firm which made its
name and fame in this mini mill is associated with the name of
Mittal. Mittals have brought unprofitable steel mills in USA,
Germany (former east Germany), British Guiana and made them
profitable. The prestigious 'economist' of London includes Mittals
among these ten low cost steel producers. I personally know the
engineer of British Guiana Company who said that the company was
making a loss of one million dollars per day. After one year of
Mittals acquisition, it became profitable. I will now recount
anecdotes from India. The first is the Visvesvariah Iron and Steel
Company (VIS) in Karnataka. It was originally known as Bhadravati
Iron & Steel. When Vishveshvaraih (V) became the chief
administrator or Diwan of Mysore in 1914, he immediately starting
drafting a plan for making steel in the Shimoga district adjoining
the western ghats. The place had iron, but no coal. Hence the
steel had to be made from charcoal obtained by burning tree. Only
some companies in Scandinavia used this method. The mill was to be
financed by the government. The British government which was
against the industrialization of India opposed it and many eminent
people in the press thought it was a white elephant. However V got
unexpected help from the head of the finance department of Mysore
government by name Chakravarti. He had vigorously opposed the
construction of the Krishnarajasagar dam. But when he saw how
successful and profitable it was, he had second thoughts about his
own wisdom. Hence he did not oppose the plan of V. The Tata
managing agents also were managing TISCO in Jamshedpur were made
the managing agents of VIS also. The construction was given to the
US firm Perrin which handled TISCO also. The work started around
1918 - by this time V had to resign as divan because of the
difference of opinion with the Maharaja. The initial cost estimate
was 64 lakh rupees. By 1923 the estimate was 211 lakhs. The
technical operation was assigned to a team of engineers from
Perrin (at very high salaries) at the advice of Tatas. However the
operation was highly unsatisfactory and, the losses were high and
even the original consultants Perrin and Co. advised that the part
of the company dealing with steel making be closed. At this
juncture, the king asked his Diwan Banerji to request Visvesvariah
to help the VIS. V readily agreed. He took several drastic
decisions. He terminated the services of Tata managing agents
since they were only traders with no technical knowledge. He
terminated the employment of all the highly paid US technicians.
Then he recruited several creative persons to run the company.
This included the famous Madhava Rao who was administrator and not
an engineer. V himself went to the Scandinavian factories which
make steel from wood like Bhadravati and applied these techniques
here. Even the workers cooperated by taking a voluntary salary
cut. Thus V could make the company profitable by 1928; By 1929 V
even secured orders from abroad for exporting 5000 tons of steel.
He could have procured more orders but the British government
discouraged the potential buyers of VIS steel. By 1929, the
company was profitable. Still the press and eminent persons
wrote vicious articles against the company. A retired judge of the
High Court collected all these adverse reports and gave them to
Mahatma Gandhi who had come to Mysore in 1931 for health reasons.
Mahatma Gandhi was all praise both for V and VIS and said the mill
was a tribute to the genius of our people, the establishment of
the mill showed how Indians can establish and maintain such
complex machinery. He did not attach much importance to the
supposed losses. Now as a backdrop, I will add a few words on
TISCO, the Tata Iron and Steel Works in Jamshedpur founded in the
early nineteen tens. Around 1955, the management wanted to
increase the production from one million to two million tons per
year. Even though TISCO had about 50 years of experience, they had
no skills in developing the expansion program. So they gave a turn
key contract to a US firm of Kaisers. The budget in 1954 was 65
crores, but when it ended in 1958 it was 125 crores. Even then
after the completion, the total output would not so beyond 1.9
million tons and the Tata management, with their lack of
engineering skills and blind trust in the Western Company did not
want to take any action against the Americans. Even in the
seventies and eighties when new steel making technologies came on
the horizon, TISCO management brushed them aside. Still TISCO
management cultivated the press and the newspapers had always
articles praising the "Vision'' and "management skills'' of the
Tatas. These anecdotes are quoted to show that the stories of
successes and failures of the industries described in the Indian
press may have very little truth in them. The same is true for the
assignment of the labels of 'success' and 'failure' to
individuals. We need to focus on the methods of consciousness to
evaluate performance as indicated by Sri Aurobindo and the Isha
Upanishad. Q27: (Rebirth and learning)
We are asked to learn continuously during all in our life. I like
that. But does the Upanishad say anything about rebirth? Do we
learn anything from the experiences of our earlier births? The
popular idea is that we will be reborn as insects or animals (or
even become a stone) as punishment for our (supposed) sins. Does
this Upanishad support this?
Ans: The answer is in verse 17.
"The breath of things (vayu) is an immortal Life (amrtam), but
of this body ashes are the end. Om! O will, (make us) remember,
that which was done (make us) remember! O will, (make us)
remember, that which was done (make us) remember.'' (verse 17).
Isha Upanishad mentions rebirth in this verse. This Upanishad does
not state the condition of next birth. However the Veda or the
Upanishads do not support the idea of an animal birth for a human
being. This is a creation or exaggeration introduced by the
Puranas. According to this verse both birth and death belong to
this physical body. Its end is ashes. However the core of the
life-principle Vayu in us -- called as Jiva (or soul) -- is
immortal (amrta) does not die with the physical body. After
sometime, this Jiva or soul creates for itself a new body and
enters it. One usually does not remember the details of past
births but evidence of rebirth are numerous. How can a child of
two years chant Sanskrit hymns well which many elders cannot do.
It is because the training which the child had received in an
earlier birth has not been forgotten. The same explains
mathematical or musical prodigies. Typically a musician improves
from birth to birth in music. Then he/she decides music is enough
and takes birth for a different vocation in different
circumstances. So we can recover the lessons needed by invoking
the power of Agni, "make us remember''. Agni will give only the
necessary power needed for that circumstance. In one birth, we are
not going to become a genius in any field. Persons like Leonardo
or Sri Aurobindo became masters in several subjects because they
had spent several of their previous lives working on these topics.
Q28: (After-death states) Does the Upanishad say
anything about the after-death state of persons who live only for
their physical enjoyments without any thought of moral or
aesthetic ideals or their fellow beings? Does it say anything
regarding persons who commit suicide?
Ans: This Upanishad or others do not mention a physical place
called hell or naraka mentioned in the Purana to which the evil
doers will be sent. The word naraka does not even appear in any of
the 24,000 verses of four Vedas. But verse 3 of this Upanishad
(which is Shukla Yajur Veda 40.3) refers to the sunless worlds (asurya)
where the Rays of the spiritual sun or Rays of the beneficial
light are almost absent. We have to understand there are several
states of consciousness besides the one on earth which is
dominated by matter, but has components of life and mind. By
departing from the physical life, one does not disappear into
non-existence or go out of the movement, but the concerned Jiva
(or soul) passes into some other state of consciousness. These
states are either illuminated or obscure, some even dark or
sunless. By persisting in gross forms of ignorance dominated by
selfishness, animal tendencies, immorality or by committing
suicide (a mode of wrong dissolution of the body) one enters into
states of blind darkness. Jivas who have made some progress enter
into worlds of light after death, spend some time there and then
take up birth on earth. So we do not have to look upon the cycle
of birth and death negatively. Every birth and life is an
opportunity for progress. However for most persons, the time and
condition of death and birth are not in their (jiva) control.
Persons who have reached some high stage of perfection can take up
birth or death at their will. There are some who by the dint of
spiritual practices completely opt out of the birth or death cycle
and merge into the One. This is the state highly regarded by the
teacher Shankara. "Sunless are those worlds and enveloped in
blind gloom whereto all they in their passing hence resort who are
slayers of their souls.'' (Verse 3)
Q29: (Choice between ideals) Often we are faced with ideals of
service which are all individually very attractive or great, but
which are mutually inconsistent. Some say focus on the health and
food for the poor; others say it is education that is needed.
Still others say, 'no help should be given till they show the
required aspiration'. How do we choose which goal to pursue?
Ans: The Isha gives the answer in the 15th verse. The face of
truth is covered with a brilliant golden lid; that you remove, O
Fosterer (pushan), for the law of the truth (satyadharma), for
vision (drshthaye). (verse 15) In the inner yajna described in
the Veda, Surya, the Sun-God, represents the divine illumination
of the seer which exceeds mind and forms the pure luminous Truth
of things. His rays are the thoughts that proceed directly from
the Truth, the Vast, but become deflected and distorted, broken up
and disordered in the reflecting and dividing principle, mind.
They form the golden lid which covers the face of Truth. The
seer prays to Surya to cast the rays into the right order and
relation and then draw them together with the unity of revealed
truth. So by our prayer of surrender, he reveals to us the
correct path to follow based on our self law (svadha).
Q30: (Time management, working in a hurry) We
generally work in a hurry because we do not have enough time. The
quality suffers, What to do?
Ans: When a person is in a hurry he does the work incompletely or
does it badly. There is a third way, it is to intensify one's
concentration. If you do that you gain half the time, even from a
very short time. Take an ordinary example: to have a bath and
dress. Let us say one usually takes half an hour without hurrying.
If you hurry, you do not wash well or dress well. But if you
follow the third way, i.e. concentrate your attention and one's
energy on the task, then the same job can be done in fifteen
minutes, without sacrificing quality. If we begin to practice
this, there is tension in beginning, but with habit, the tension
diminishes. You make use of work as means for growth. Note that
the popular idea that work should be done 'disinterestedly' is
dangerous, because it is easy to confuse 'disinterestedness' with
indifference. Parents speak of giving 'quality time' to their
children, typically time periods in which one of the parents is
fresh. Even here if the parent does not raise his awareness or
consciousness to a level higher than that at ordinary times, the
parent may not be able to understand what the child is saying in
depths, i.e., she or he may not pay attention to the unspoken
issues. Q31: Does the Upanishad have
anything to say about the type of work I can do and the larger
topic of personality development?
Ans: This Upanishad does not mention directly the subject of
personality development, but Veda does mention this topic. I will
focus on this topic because the type of work you do depends on
your personality. Personality of a person is a description of
the collectivity of all his talents in the physical level,
emotional level (Vital level), mental level, the aims, goals,
fears, the relationships to other persons and nature at large. It
is not static, hence ideally this collectivity should become
richer and wider in the course of time, i.e., we speak of the
development of personality.
Some moderns characterize a new born baby as an empty bucket;
only by pumping in knowledge by means of lessons at school and at
home makes the child more knowledgeable. Veda does not agree with
this. Veda declares that every human being is born with several
talents which are in a latest stage. All the things in the
collectivity called personality is governed by a law called svadha
(self law) which is unique and which supports the person. All our
education is bringing these latent gifts into the open. We can
regard our human body to be made of numerous subtle switches. Just
as pressing the electric button does not generate electricity, but
only makes the electricity flow in the concerned place, similarly
each subtle switch when pressed (figuratively) by means of a oral
teaching or reading etc., yields the latent power associated with
it. A music or mathematics teacher may be simultaneously teaching
ten students. But it is well known one or two among them
understand the lesson taught that day much better than others. It
is because the latent knowledge of music or mathematics in them is
more than in the others. The first step in developing our
personality is to become more and more conscious, more and more
aware in our dealing with the persons, objects and entities around
us. We become aware of our specific strengths dictated by our
self-law. Then we can take steps to develop these strengths better
by reading books, by contacting experts in that subject, by
joining support groups. What is needed is an aspiration for
development. Then nature or providence will give the necessary
help. A reading of the biographies of eminent persons in each
field, physics, maths, music, carpentry, gardening, writing,
sculpting, graphic arts etc., will convince you the hints of the
above statement. What is needed is faith in yourself and patience.
Our personality may have several weaknesses such becoming angry
very quickly, laziness, procrastination, roughness in inter
personal relationships etc. Again becoming aware of the reactions
of the other persons in our meetings will indicate the necessary
weaknesses. The profession or vocation we choose must be based
on our strengths. The advice given by well-meaning parents may be
useless or even harmful. Many parents are easily carried away by
the buzzwords or hyperboles regarding the currently popular
vocations. They may never have the first hand experience. The best
method is to read the concerned literature, especially the
self-help books, and persons who have first hand knowledge of the
vocation. Q32: I have heard that, "this
obsession with renunciation or sannyas has ruined our country, it
is the main reason for the physical poverty in India''. Your
response please.
Ans: I will give here a brief answer to your question, "has the
practice of outward renunciation ruined India''. We should make a
clear distinction between the practice of sannyas or outward
renunciation among Buddhists and the sannyas among Hindus. In the
times of Buddha and later on, persons from all walks of life
became fulltime bhikshus or monks; many buddhist monasteries had a
hundred or thousand monks. The monks in these monasteries were
leading a very comfortable life thanks to the generous patronage
of the kings as noted by the Buddhist monk from China, Hieun
Tsang. So joining the monastery was a mark of status. All these
persons would have been excellent artisans, merchants, artists,
musicians, warriors etc. Clearly the energy level of the society
at large declined by their absence; this lead to the weakening of
the national fabric with the failure to face the external
attacking hordes. A bhikshu, however advanced he may be, cannot
have detailed knowledge of these professions and cannot contribute
to the society directly. But in the monasteries organized by the
great teacher Shankara, the monks were selectively chosen, the
number of monks in the monastery being small. The number of
permanent monks in the great monasteries of Sri Shankara like
Sringeri, Kanchi, Dwaraka, Puri, Badarinath is less than half a
dozen, often two or three. There were attached educational
institutions where students came and left after their studies. So
we cannot say the Sannyas or monasticism among the Hindus
contributed to the decline directly. But the emphasis on the other
world matters in many of our teachings did make some contribution
to the weakening of the vital energy of the society. Specifically,
the dominant idea among the Hindus in the last one thousand years
is that the world is a place of misery; persons with wisdom should
regard this world as transient, it should be regarded only as a
place where we can prepare ourselves for the perfect state after
death. Even Swami Vivekananda declared that to attempt to change
the world or human nature is like trying to straighten the dog's
tail. All these ideas obviously do not contribute to strengthening
the society to meet the challenges posed by outsiders. It is
important to realize that neither the Gita nor the Upanishads
support this view point. The view point of the Isha Upanishad on
this topic amplified by Sri Aurobindo has already been given in
the answer to the question, "purpose of work and life''.
Q33: (active & passive Brahman): You stated in
connection with verse 1 that there is only ONE inhabitant, God, in
all these bodies; he is the enjoyer in all these bodies. We
usually think of the Brahman as inactive (this is the usual
definition of absolute). However to enjoy, the Brahman has to be
in the role of activity; so we can speak of this active Brahman.
So we have active Brahman and passive Brahman; has the same
passive Brahman put on different bodies?
Ans: The answer if yes. The inactive and the active Brahman are
simply two aspects of the one Self, the one Brahman, who is the
Lord. It is he who has gone abroad in the movement. He maintains
himself free from all modifications in his inactive existence. The
inaction is the basis of the action and exists in the action; it
is his freedom from all he does and becomes and in all he does and
becomes. These are the positive and negative poles of the
indivisible consciousness. We embrace both in one quiescence and
one movement, inseparable from each other, dependent on each
other. The quiescence exists relatively to the movement, the
movement to the quiescence. He is beyond both. This is a different
point of view from that of the identity of the movement and
quiescence which are one in reality; it expresses rather their
relation in our consciousness once they are admitted as a
practical necessity of that consciousness. It is obvious that we
also by becoming one with the lord would share in this bane
conscious existence. (SA) In the ordinary view the Jiva cannot
exist in both at the same time; his dissolution is into the
quiescence and not into unity with the Lord in the action and
inaction. (SA) "It is he that has gone abroad -- that which is
bright, bodiless, without scar of imperfection, without sinews,
pure, unpierced by evil. The seer, the thinker, the one who
becomes everywhere, the self-existence had ordered objects
perfectly according to their nature (yatatathya) from years
sempiternal.'' (Verse 8) Q34:
(Quiescence & Movement) Let us go now to "God''. We have all heard
that the Supreme Being or Brahman is in a condition of absolute
quiescence or stillness; for the attainment of bliss, quiescence
is said to be necessary. Do we associate movement with Supreme
Being also? Note quiescence and persistence of movement are
opposed to another.
Ans: The quiescence and the movement are equally one Brahman and
the distinction drawn between them is only a phenomenon of our
consciousness. So it is with the idea of space and time, the far
and the near, the subjective and the objective, internal and
external, myself and others, one and many. Brahman, the real
existence, is all these things to our consciousness, but in itself
ineffably superior to all such practical distinctions. The
movement is a phenomenon of the quiescence, the quiescence itself
may be conceived as a movement too rapid for the Gods, that is to
say, for our various functions of consciousness to follow in its
real nature. But it is no formal, material, spatial, temporal
movement, only a movement in consciousness. Knowledge sees it all
as one, ignorance divides and creates oppositions where there is
no opposition but simply relations of one consciousness in itself.
The ego in the body says, "I am within, all else is outside; and
in what is outside, this is near to me in time and space, that is
far.'' All this is true in present relation; but in essence it is
all one indivisible movement of Brahman which is not material
movement but a way of seeing things in the one consciousness. (SA)
"One unmoving that is swifter than Mind, That the Gods reach not,
for it progresses ever in front. That, standing, passes beyond
others as they run. In that the master of life establishes the
waters.'' (Verse 4) "That moves and That moves not; That is far
and the same is near; That is within all this and That also is
outside all this.'' (Verse 5) The phrase in verse 5, "that moves
and that moves not'', may seem enigmatic, but it is not so. For
instance, take the wooden table on which this book is being
written. Everyone agrees that it is stationary and not moving. The
wood is made of millions of atoms of carbon etc., in each atom
which is imperceptible to physical senses, the electrons are
revolving at a fantastic speed, the speed of light (186,000 miles
per second). So if you, "ask is the table associated with
movement?'' the answer is yes. All these are relations of
consciousness. When we are focusing on the atom (to improve the
quality of wood) then table is "moving'. When we focus on its use
as a writing platform, "it is stationary'.
Q35: So you seem to be saying that God or Supreme
Brahman is simultaneously quiescent and moving. It seems hard to
imagine.
Ans: I will give you a simple example. A lady (L) can be
simultaneously a mother and a daughter. She is mother of D and she
is daughter of M. She is mother and daughter simultaneously, but
in relation to different persons. Similarly Brahman appears to our
consciousness as quiescent and appears at other times as moving.
Q36: (Vidya and Avidya, Knowledge and Ignorance)
What exactly is the distinction between knowledge and ignorance.
All of us prefer not to have any ignorance at all, if it is
possible. All of us know that our knowledge is very very limited.
What is the view of Upanishad?
Ans: Ignorance used in ordinary language and ignorance used in the
Upanishad or the books on Indian philosophy are quite different.
In ordinary language, 'I am ignorant of cooking', means, 'I do not
know how to cook'. In philosophy ignorance is the translation of
avidya, which really means, 'limited or partial knowledge of an
entity or object'. Avidya is only mental knowledge; mind has to
divide an entity into separate aspects and understand each aspect
separately. Then it tries to combine all these snapshots into one
view and call it the knowledge of that entity. Clearly this
synthetic knowledge cannot be the total knowledge of even that
entity. Vidya means the knowledge of the One from which all our
manifestation came, yet which remains separate from all the
manifestation. This vidya knowledge has remained all along
unabrogated in the consciousness of the true seer or kavi, who is
within us also. This seer within us stands back from the mental
knowledge avidya. The Upanishad states that we need both this
vidya and also avidya or limited knowledge (called as apara vidya)
in the following two verses. Into a blind darkness they enter
who follow after the Ignorance (avidya), they as if into a greater
darkness who devote themselves to the Knowledge (vidya) alone.
(Verse 9) Immersion in the pure vidya appears to be plunging
into greater darkness (note the phrase 'as if' 'iva') since the
experience of nirvana is almost like total darkness. The
connection between the vidya and avidya and the need for avidya is
clearly declared in the next verse 11. He who knows That as both
in one, the Knowledge and the Ignorance, by the Ignorance crosses
beyond death and by the Knowledge enjoys Immortality. (Verse 11)
The knowledge of the One and the knowledge of the Many are a
result of the movement of the one consciousness, which sees all
things as One in their truth-Idea but differentiates them in their
mentality and formal becoming. If the mind (manishi) absorbs
itself in God as the formal becoming then it loses vidya, the
knowledge of the One, and has only the knowledge of the Many which
becomes no longer knowledge at all but ignorance, avidya. This is
the cause of the separate ego-sense. (SA) Death of an entity is
nothing but non-functioning of one or more parts or lack of
harmony between the different parts. Hence to overcome death, one
has to master the (partial) knowledge of all the components. The
seer in us, first stands back from the knowledge of the One; thus
separated he as the individual inhabitant (verse 1) develops the
knowledge in its variety and reunites this separative knowledge
with the true source One and thus conquers death and division.
Thus he has the knowledge of the One and the Many simultaneously.
"This is our proper course and not either to devote ourselves
exclusively to the life of avidya (limited knowledge or ignorance)
or to reject it entirely for the motion less absorption in the
One''. (SA)

Q37: (Works and Knowledge) Great thinkers in the
past have declared the fundamental opposition between works and
knowledge. What is the Upanishad's view?
Ans: The opposition between works and knowledge exists as long as
works and knowledge are only of the egoistic mental character.
Mental knowledge is not true knowledge; true knowledge is that
which is based on the true sight, the sight of the Seer, of Surya,
of the Kavi. Mental thought is not knowledge, it is a golden lid
placed over the face of the Truth, the Sight, the divine ideation,
the truth-consciousness. When that is removed, sight replaces
mental thought, the all-embracing truth-ideation (also called as
mahas, vision or as vision (drshti)) replaces the fragmentary
mental activity. True Buddhi (vijnana) emerges from the dissipated
action of the Buddhi which is all that is possible on the basis of
the sense-mind, the manas. Vijnana leads us to pure knowledge (jnana),
pure consciousness (chit). There we realize our entire identity
with the lord in all at the very roots of our being. (SA) The
face of Truth is covered with a brilliant golden lid; that do thou
remove, O Fosterer, for the law of the Truth, for sight. (Verse
15) O Fosterer, O sole Seer, O Ordainer, O illumining Sun, O
power of the Father of creatures, marshal your rays, draw together
your light the luster which is your most blessed form of all, that
in you I behold. The Purusha there and there, he am I. (Verse 16)
Q38: Suppose we call the Supreme as the BEING.
Recall we express our existence by saying, "I am'. Does this
person (Being) become the different bodies? Similarly the Supreme
is regarded as One but everyday we deal only with the Many all the
different things we see in the world are likely to be becomings or
formation of the one the so-called Being. Some regard the 'Many'
as unreal or at least 'less real' than the One. What is the
relation between these opposites.
Ans: (Being & Becoming) Everything depends on what we see, how we
look at existence. In our soul's view of things, Being and
Becoming, One and Many are both true and are both the same thing:
Being is one, becomings are many; but this simply means that all
becomings are one being who places himself variously in the
phenomenal movement of his consciousness. We have to see the one
being, but we have not to cease to see the many becomings, for
they exist and are included in Brahman's view of himself. Only, we
must see with knowledge and not with ignorance. We have to realize
our true self as the one unchangeable, indivisible Brahman. We
have to see all becomings as developments of the movement in our
true self and this self as one inhabiting all bodies and not our
body only. We have to be consciously, in our relations with this
world, what we really are, -- this one self becoming everything
that we observe. All the movement, all energies, all forms, all
happiness we must see as those of our one and real self in many
existences, as the play of the will and knowledge and delight of
the lord in his world-existence. We shall then be delivered from
egoism and desire and the sense of separate existence and
therefore from all grief and delusion and shrinking; for all grief
is born of the shrinking of the ego from the contacts of
existence, its sense of fear, weakness, want, dislike, etc., and
this is born from the delusion of separate existence, the sense of
being my separate ego exposed to all these contacts of so much
that is not myself. Get rid of this, see oneness everywhere, be
the One manifesting Himself in all creatures; ego will disappear;
desire born of the sense of not being this, not having that will
disappear; the free inalienable delight of the One in His own
existence will take the place of desire and its satisfactions and
dissatisfactions. Immortality will be yours, death born of
division will be overcome. (SA)
In the ordinary view all this would be admitted, but the
practical possibility of maintaining this state consciousness and
birth in the world together would be doubted. But he who sees
everywhere the Self in all existences and all existences in the
Self, shrinks not thereafter from aught. (Verse 6) He in whom it
is the Self-Being that has become-all existences that are
Becomings, for he has the perfect knowledge, how shall he be
deluded, whence shall he have grief who sees everywhere oneness?
(Verse 7) Q39: (Birth and Non-birth) In
popular lectures we hear that the Birth is the beginning of
bondage. Still nobody, even apparently the saints, look forward to
death. What takes birth?
Ans: The reason for this double movement of the Thinker is that we
are intended to realize immortality in the Birth. The self is
uniform and undying and in itself always possesses immortality. It
does not need to descend into Avidya and Birth to get that
immortality of Non-Birth; for it possesses it always. It descends
in order to realize and possess it as the individual Brahman in
the play of world-existence. It accepts Birth and Death, assumes
the ego and then dissolving the ego by the recovery of unity
realizes itself as the Lord, the One, and Birth as only a becoming
of the Lord in mental and formal being; this becoming is now
governed by the true sight of the Seer and, once this is done,
becoming is no longer inconsistent with Being, birth becomes a
means and not an obstacle to the enjoyment of immortality by the
lord of this formal habitation. (SA) This is our proper course
and not to remain for ever in the chain of birth and death, nor to
flee from birth into a pure non-becoming. The bondage does not
consist in the physical act of becoming, but in the persistence of
the ignorant sense of the separate ego. The Mind creates the chain
and not the body. (SA) This is the stumbling-block to the
ordinary philosophies which are impregnated with the idea of the
illusoriness of the world, even when they do not go the whole way
with the idea that the world is an illusion. Birth, they would
say, is a play of ignorance, it cannot subsist along with entire
knowledge. Into a blind darkness they enter who follow after the
Non-Birth (asambhuti), they as if into a greater darkness who
devote themselves to the Birth (sambhuti) alone. (Verse 12)
Other, verily, it is said, is that which comes by the Birth, (sambhavat)
other that which comes by the Non-Birth (asambhavat); this is the
lore we have received from the wise who revealed That to our
understanding. (Verse 13) He who knows That as both in one, the
Birth and the dissolution (vinasha) (of Birth), by the dissolution
(vinasha) crosses beyond death and by the Birth (sambhuti) enjoys
Immortality. (Verse 14)
Therefore when we have the sight and live in the
Truth-Consciousness (verse 15) our will becomes the spontaneous
law of the truth in us and knowing all its acts and their sense
and objective, leads straight to the human goal, which was always
the enjoyment of the Ananda, the Lord's delight in self-being, the
state of Immortality. In our acts also we become one with all
beings and our life grows into a representation of oneness, truth
and divine joy and no longer proceeds on the crooked path of
egoism full of division, error and stumbling. In a word, we attain
to the object of our existence which is to manifest in itself
whether on earth in a terrestrial body and against the resistance
of Matter or in the worlds beyond or enter beyond all world the
glory of the divine Life and the divine Being. (SA)

40: I am intrigued by the phrase, "live for a
hundred years'' you quoted earlier. Is it merely an expression of
sentimentality or is there a deeper meaning?
Ans: Of course the phrase, 'live for a hundred years' (Verse 2,
Q.9) has a deeper meaning. The mantra hints that we should
choose the type of actions and the way of doing these actions so
that we can lead one hundred years of life pervaded with health
and happiness. Note also the remaining line of the Upanishad
verse quoted, 'Thus it is in you and not otherwise than this.' It
means that your body including the mental and pranic apparatus is
designed to last for at least a hundred years if you do the works
all your life which are appropriate to you and by doing them in an
appropriate manner. |